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[Wahesh]

A club of our magnitude not having our own stadium in this day an age is an absolute joke, and a complete disgrace.

If it's not on the agenda, then in should be.

I agree. Our team has enough money to buy Belmore Sports Ground off the council, and then they should lobby all levels of Government for funding to upgrade it and bring it up to NRL standards for full time fixtures.

The one big problem that Belmore will have into the foreseeable future however is parking. There is not much parking there, and even if there was, the traffic in and out of the stadium will be a nightmare.

For us locals, getting there is easy because we can either walk or catch a train, or even drive and park in residential streets not too far from the stadium, but for the non-local supporters, they will only drive as it's easier.

 

[Bulldog Wrestler]

I agree. Our team has enough money to buy Belmore Sports Ground off the council, and then they should lobby all levels of Government for funding to upgrade it and bring it up to NRL standards for full time fixtures.

The one big problem that Belmore will have into the foreseeable future however is parking. There is not much parking there, and even if there was, the traffic in and out of the stadium will be a nightmare.

For us locals, getting there is easy because we can either walk or catch a train, or even drive and park in residential streets not too far from the stadium, but for the non-local supporters, they will only drive as it's easier.

This issue being filed in the too hard basket is no longer acceptable.

 

[TwinTurbo]

One of the major problems with Belmore (and I'm huge Belmore supporter) is that it has no Corporate Hospitality facilities and that is a farkin big deal. We get $millions from our advertisers/sponsors, possible more than we net in sales of tickets to games. No Corporate facilities means no advertisers/sponsors. A couple of season ago we took games to Parramatta due to the need for Corporate Hospitality facilities, that's how important they are to us and to every NRL club.

Plus the deal with Allianz is that we get paid a guaranteed minimum amount per game, which means we have no risk of, say, a tiny crowd due to it being an early Friday game, or raining etc.

There was a survey done many years ago that suggested, to accommodate a 20k seating stadium with parking, we would have to resume 60 houses/properties and take over 3 local roads. If a house/property plus demolition was, say $3m each that's $180m just to make the space available. I can't imagine how much 2 local roads would cost.

Even we don't have enough funds to do it. Government money is the only possible solution, with Canterbury and Bankstown areas being safe Federal, State and Local seats there is next to zero chance of pork barrelling the funding.


Always a Bulldog

 

[diddly]

Not saying it should happen but Belmore could be greatly improved with elevated seating in front of or on the hill and at the Canterbury road end - similar to that at Kogarah n the Dolphins stadium - capacity would be small but 12 000 that close to the playing field would create atmosphere.

 

[Lynchpin]

Our team has enough money to buy Belmore Sports Ground off the council

You mean the Leagues Club? The "team" doesn't.
In any case, money doesn't mean much if the Council isn't selling.
And, even if they did sell, there are planning permissions, transport & infrastructure issues, adjacent residences to consider (acquire, ignore, or placate), all before you get to the costs of designing, funding, and building a complete stadium that meets the myriad of needs (now & future).

On top of that, we have already sunk plenty of money (ours, but mostly public) into upgrades of admin & facilities at the current site. Not sure the donors would look too favourably on their demolition so soon after implementation; especially if you are seeking additional funds for the new project from the very same donors.

If an upgrade of Belmore as a minimum NRL stadium was ever feasible, it needed to begin two decades ago, with strategic acquisition of surrounding properties as they became available, and anticipation of public infrastructure works (like the Bankstown Line replacement), so that it was incorporated into the design (eg a Belmore Stadium station underneath a Grand stand, and attached to a Commercial precinct).

Would have loved for this to have been the case, but it's not and it wasn't.

Interestingly, the Club had taken some strategic steps...at Liverpool (acquiring properties, etc) but dealing with Council (a corrupt one) proved why these kinds of plans are fraught with challenges that are not always within the Club's control.

We are stuck at Stadium Australia for at least the next decade, and that's if we made a strategic decision now, and started actively pursuing it now, for a long term alternative. With our economy in an extended recession/depression, there will be little chance of the public funding that went to the Eels, Rorters & Panthers for their home ground re-builds.

 

[Micko]

You mean the Leagues Club? The "team" doesn't.
In any case, money doesn't mean much if the Council isn't selling.
And, even if they did sell, there are planning permissions, transport & infrastructure issues, adjacent residences to consider (acquire, ignore, or placate), all before you get to the costs of designing, funding, and building a complete stadium that meets the myriad of needs (now & future).

On top of that, we have already sunk plenty of money (ours, but mostly public) into upgrades of admin & facilities at the current site. Not sure the donors would look too favourably on their demolition so soon after implementation; especially if you are seeking additional funds for the new project from the very same donors.

If an upgrade of Belmore as a minimum NRL stadium was ever feasible, it needed to begin two decades ago, with strategic acquisition of surrounding properties as they became available, and anticipation of public infrastructure works (like the Bankstown Line replacement), so that it was incorporated into the design (eg a Belmore Stadium station underneath a Grand stand, and attached to a Commercial precinct).

Would have loved for this to have been the case, but it's not and it wasn't.

Interestingly, the Club had taken some strategic steps...at Liverpool (acquiring properties, etc) but dealing with Council (a corrupt one) proved why these kinds of plans are fraught with challenges that are not always within the Club's control.

We are stuck at Stadium Australia for at least the next decade, and that's if we made a strategic decision now, and started actively pursuing it now, for a long term alternative. With our economy in an extended recession/depression, there will be little chance of the public funding that went to the Eels, Rorters & Panthers for their home ground re-builds.

You be are right in everything you have said. Unfortunately we are stuck at Homebush for a long time.

What really annoys me is that Olympic stadium was meant to be demolished and rebuilt. An ideal home stadium with seating similar to Brisbane or Parramatta. But that was cast aside and Syndey football stadium was rebuilt.

Ideally we keep pushing government to rebuild Olympic stadium. It’s an ideal spot if the stadium is made into a rectangular seating close to the field. It’s still a possibility in the future and should be our major push

 

[D0GMATIC]

You mean the Leagues Club? The "team" doesn't.
In any case, money doesn't mean much if the Council isn't selling.
And, even if they did sell, there are planning permissions, transport & infrastructure issues, adjacent residences to consider (acquire, ignore, or placate), all before you get to the costs of designing, funding, and building a complete stadium that meets the myriad of needs (now & future).

On top of that, we have already sunk plenty of money (ours, but mostly public) into upgrades of admin & facilities at the current site. Not sure the donors would look too favourably on their demolition so soon after implementation; especially if you are seeking additional funds for the new project from the very same donors.

If an upgrade of Belmore as a minimum NRL stadium was ever feasible, it needed to begin two decades ago, with strategic acquisition of surrounding properties as they became available, and anticipation of public infrastructure works (like the Bankstown Line replacement), so that it was incorporated into the design (eg a Belmore Stadium station underneath a Grand stand, and attached to a Commercial precinct).

Would have loved for this to have been the case, but it's not and it wasn't.

Interestingly, the Club had taken some strategic steps...at Liverpool (acquiring properties, etc) but dealing with Council (a corrupt one) proved why these kinds of plans are fraught with challenges that are not always within the Club's control.

We are stuck at Stadium Australia for at least the next decade, and that's if we made a strategic decision now, and started actively pursuing it now, for a long term alternative. With our economy in an extended recession/depression, there will be little chance of the public funding that went to the Eels, Rorters & Panthers for their home ground re-builds.

Sadly, "The Oasis Project" was about as close as we got, or will get, to our own stadium.

 

[The DoggFather]

Buy the crappy race course and build our own Suncorp. Been saying it for years now

 

[S.B.W_Jnr]

Sadly, "The Oasis Project" was about as close as we got, or will get, to our own stadium.

Let's hope it's not dead. As long as the club owns that land in Liverpool that dreams stays alive.

 

[Dogs Of War]

One of the major problems with Belmore (and I'm huge Belmore supporter) is that it has no Corporate Hospitality facilities and that is a farkin big deal. We get $millions from our advertisers/sponsors, possible more than we net in sales of tickets to games. No Corporate facilities means no advertisers/sponsors. A couple of season ago we took games to Parramatta due to the need for Corporate Hospitality facilities, that's how important they are to us and to every NRL club.

Plus the deal with Allianz is that we get paid a guaranteed minimum amount per game, which means we have no risk of, say, a tiny crowd due to it being an early Friday game, or raining etc.

There was a survey done many years ago that suggested, to accommodate a 20k seating stadium with parking, we would have to resume 60 houses/properties and take over 3 local roads. If a house/property plus demolition was, say $3m each that's $180m just to make the space available. I can't imagine how much 2 local roads would cost.

Even we don't have enough funds to do it. Government money is the only possible solution, with Canterbury and Bankstown areas being safe Federal, State and Local seats there is next to zero chance of pork barrelling the funding.


Always a Bulldog

Better off to start Stardome again. Will still own the land. Plenty of potential.

 

[Dogs Of War]

We are stuck at Stadium Australia for at least the next decade, and that's if we made a strategic decision now, and started actively pursuing it now, for a long term alternative. With our economy in an extended recession/depression, there will be little chance of the public funding that went to the Eels, Rorters & Panthers for their home ground re-builds.

When the economy is in a depression works such as this keeps people employed. Thing is we are at max employment which is adding to costs currently to build, and there are really only 2-3 mobs who can actually build the stadium. It's pretty much a closed market. Building a cheaper stadium at Liverpool if we wanted our own stadium would probably be the best bet in the short term unless unemployment balloons out.

The problem with rebuilding homebush is that it is seen to be the star of state stadium wise. So it would be expensive to rebuild cause they would want all the bells and whistles that go with an 80k+ stadium.

 

[Sandra's Bollocks]

One of the major problems with Belmore (and I'm huge Belmore supporter) is that it has no Corporate Hospitality facilities and that is a farkin big deal. We get $millions from our advertisers/sponsors, possible more than we net in sales of tickets to games. No Corporate facilities means no advertisers/sponsors. A couple of season ago we took games to Parramatta due to the need for Corporate Hospitality facilities, that's how important they are to us and to every NRL club.

Plus the deal with Allianz is that we get paid a guaranteed minimum amount per game, which means we have no risk of, say, a tiny crowd due to it being an early Friday game, or raining etc.

There was a survey done many years ago that suggested, to accommodate a 20k seating stadium with parking, we would have to resume 60 houses/properties and take over 3 local roads. If a house/property plus demolition was, say $3m each that's $180m just to make the space available. I can't imagine how much 2 local roads would cost.

Even we don't have enough funds to do it. Government money is the only possible solution, with Canterbury and Bankstown areas being safe Federal, State and Local seats there is next to zero chance of pork barrelling the funding.


Always a Bulldog

Wasn't that because ANZ was being redeveloped (before being eventually scrapped)?

 

[D0GMATIC]

Does anyone know what is happening with Sutton and DSF? They are both expected rd 12 which is soon, so you would think they would be running, training, making reserves list for NSW cup etc, however havn't seen anything. Considering the tempo CC wants us to play, both will need at least 3 games in cup to get up to speed. IF DSF could come good that could be the missing piece needed to beat the better sides.

They would obviously be returning via reggies, neither is a walk up starter for fg. I'm keen to see DSF too. Our forwards have far exceeded expectations, but we are still lacking a damaging, ball running middle, maybe he can develop into that. I think he will be at least 6 weeks in reggies before he is a chance. He will have to prove his place in the pecking order

 

[chemdog]

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[TwinTurbo]

Wasn't that because ANZ was being redeveloped (before being eventually scrapped)?

Yes and no, we could have taken them to Belmore but the corporates wouldn't agree, they needed the facilities.


Always a Bulldog