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Unfortunately we stuck with pay.No more Holbrook threads required as he is no longer bulldogs relevant
I was keen on Shaun Wane, but im hapy eniugh with Barrett too. Need i remind how shit the titans still are?The dogs ignored Holbrook and the titans grabbed him. The dogs seem intent on ignoring Shaun Wane and the Cowboys are circling. Meanwhile back in Groundhog Day, the masterful dogs board have their hearts set on a an already failed first grade coach. As many have shown before, a good assistant does not necessarily equate to a good head coach. Many a good assistant has particular attributes that can help the halves, or the forwards, or the inside or outside backs. But lack that man management and broader vision necessary to be a successful head coach. Des was a proven head coach who took a shambolic team (on their performance the previous year) and coached them to the two grand finals before the slide, much of which may have come down to collecting his former manly discards who seemed only interested in their pay check.
3 times as many points as us though :/Holbrook and the Titans aren't doing much better... Only a step above us on 15th.
I agree with part of this.The dogs ignored Holbrook and the titans grabbed him. The dogs seem intent on ignoring Shaun Wane and the Cowboys are circling. Meanwhile back in Groundhog Day, the masterful dogs board have their hearts set on a an already failed first grade coach. As many have shown before, a good assistant does not necessarily equate to a good head coach. Many a good assistant has particular attributes that can help the halves, or the forwards, or the inside or outside backs. But lack that man management and broader vision necessary to be a successful head coach. Des was a proven head coach who took a shambolic team (on their performance the previous year) and coached them to the two grand finals before the slide, much of which may have come down to collecting his former manly discards who seemed only interested in their pay check.
Titans arent bottom of the ladder anymore so give Holbrook some kudos! They are playing a lot better than the last few years and it will take him time to get the better systems happening.I agree with part of this.
I don’t think they ‘ignored’ Holbrook but genuinely wanted Pay to have a chance to succeed at the time. Holbrook hasn’t set the world on fire at the Titans either.
I agree that Wane would be a compelling choice with 3 titles in 8 years at Wigan but as we saw with Brown and even with Holbrook so far, success in SL doesn’t necessarily translate to NRL success.
Barrett to me is a risk given his results at Manly. If it happens we can only hope he’s learnt and grown as a coach and man manager since then and there doesn’t appear to be many credible alternatives available which is why until the pot boiled over I think the club were aiming at 2022 for a coaching change but have obviously had to shift gears there.
I wasn’t bagging Holbrook and over time he could produce some good results.Titans arent bottom of the ladder anymore so give Holbrook some kudos! They are playing a lot better than the last few years and it will take him time to get the better systems happening.
I agree that Barrett is a risk, he was shit at Manly and they had a fantastic roster!
To be fair anyone would’ve attracted Fifita & Tino with the massive money they threw at them. After what we’ve been through with Des I hope we don’t go crazy with the salary cap againI’m more an optimist than a pessimist and I feel that’s due to age as I’ve been following the Dogs since the late ‘70’s, but boy that’s starting to wear thin now. I see light at the end of the tunnel with JAC and Burton coming in 2022 but what we need are forwards and with Holbrook joining the Titans they were able to attract the hottest front row forward on the market from the Broncos and a few potential stars from other clubs to join.
Barrett may well turn out to be great but the early signs haven’t been great and in Holbrook I feel we missed a Golden Opportunty to get a coach that players are keen to play under. Barrett failed at Manly and despite being assistant coach at Penrith we haven’t seen any improvement thus far but he really needs to have a massive clean out at years end.
As for Holbrook he was brought in the Canterbury having played for the Milperra Colts and played halfback for the Knights, Panthers and Roosters. His winning % at St Helens was 80 and since being at the Titans he’s won 12 of the 25 games he’s coached at 48% winning strike rate but that’s bound to improve as he’s signed there for a few years yet.
Finally Lachlan Coote who won a premiership with the Cowboys and now another in the Super League at St Helens has said Holbrook is without doubt the best coach he’s played under.
And in ‘attracting Fifita’ - a move from Brisbane to the Gold Coast isn’t comparable to trying to lure him to Sydney. It’s about more than money, so I wouldn’t be lathering the Titans in praise just for that.To be fair anyone would’ve attracted Fifita & Tino with the massive money they threw at them. After what we’ve been through with Des I hope we don’t go crazy with the salary cap again