U.S. Politics - Thread

[steeliz]

What do you think of the fact that asian americans have a higher median income than white americans? How do you suppose this happened in such a 'racist' country?

What a dumb arse, brainwashed KKKultist comment.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[steeliz]

The dropkick even asserts I only have the views I have because I am a woman and what I've been told and seen.

That's how narrow minded he is.

Wasting your time conversing with him.

Unfortunately racism and misogyny go hand in hand for the brainwashed KKKulist.

 

[Dawgfather]

What a dumb arse, brainwashed KKKultist comment.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why do you suppose asian americans achieved such a good average incomes in a country which we are told is racist?

 

[Dawgfather]

Trust me I know.

I have been 'debating' with him for a while until I just gave up and just started to make fun of his ignorance and stupidity.

Unfortunately when racists like @Dawgfather rear their sad, pathetic heads it make me want to attack the utter ignorance of their sad, pathetic lives.

It has become a reflex action.

It's not debating. It's each of you lining up in a line of 6-7 of you, like lemmings to throw out your accusations and attacks which I generally respond to in a mild manner despite each of you being more interested in brandishing names and insults instead of discussing anything of substance.

 

[wendog33]

The usual suspects in Australia backing Trump's completely baseless fraud accusations:


Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded 'fraud' claims about Biden comeback
Australian conservatives rebuked for ‘making comments that aren’t thought through’

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Joe Hockey at the Australian ambassador’s residence in Washington last year. The former treasurer has questioned Joe Biden’s strong comeback in the presidential election. Photograph: Mick Tsikas/AAP

Joe Hockey has lent his voice to disputed claims of voter fraud in the US, using anecdotal evidence consistent with previous elections to raise doubt about the presidential election result.
The former treasurer and ambassador to the US told Sydney’s 2GB radio on Thursday that there were “plenty of good reason” for Donald Trump and the Republican campaign team to challenge results – which are still being counted – through litigation.
The Labor party leader, Anthony Albanese, rebuked Hockey, saying it “doesn’t help to have Australians make comments that aren’t thought through” questioning the legitimacy of results.

Hockey is one of a number of conservatives questioning Joe Biden’s strong comeback in the vote count, including the Nationals MP George Christensen, who on Facebook has been slapped with a warning for misleading claims about “dodgy votes” boosting the former vice president.
Hockey, Australia’s ambassador from 2016 to January 2020, said the US electoral system was “a complete dog’s breakfast, right across, not just Pennsylvania, but right across the country”.
“I mean there are 10,000 different organisations which are responsible for setting the rules for the US presidential election,” he told 2GB.
“In the US, you have every state, and every county and every city. And if there is a strong bias, one way or the other, they do everything they can to suppress the vote, or increase the vote. It’s a mess.”
Asked if electoral fraud were possible in the US system, Hockey replied: “Oh for sure. The question is whether it is enough to change the election outcome and I doubt it is, but absolutely.”
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Hockey attempted to support the unfounded claim by noting that in Washington DC “some people got two ballot papers … and of course, last night, in Washington DC, 93% of the city voted for Joe Biden”.
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He said the margin was “hard to believe” because his best booth in the seat of North Sydney had delivered him 83% of the vote.
In fact, Biden’s win of 93% of the vote is consistent with results in the District of Columbia which strongly backed the Democratic candidate in the 2016 election by 91%, in 2012 (91%) and 2008 (92%).
Albanese told reporters in Sydney that Biden’s results were “pretty consistent” with previous outcomes, rebuking Hockey for saying there was “a question mark over the legitimacy of the Washington DC vote”.
Christensen posted on Facebook early on Thursday morning that his prediction that Trump would win “didn’t take Democrat vote fraud into account”.
Christensen posted graphs of what he termed “unnatural jumps in tallies in Wisconsin and Michigan” and falsely attributed them to “dodgy extra votes at about 4 in the morning, just like the president [Donald Trump] said”.

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Nationals MP George Christensen falsely claims the change of lead in the US election is the result of ‘dodgy votes’. Photograph: George Christensen Facebook
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Politifact has explained the spikes were caused by counties releasing results from large batches of votes – which favoured Biden but also included votes for Trump.
Facebook warned users that Christensen’s post was “missing context”, adding a link to the Politifact fact-check concluding that the jumps in votes do not substantiate claims of fraud.


Christensen has also cast doubt on democratic election results by asking “what is going on in the US?” and linking to Trump campaign materials explaining how “they’re [Democrats are] trying to steal the election”.
The One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts also expressed scepticism by noting on Facebook that Trump had gone “from having a strong lead in the battleground states … to his lead strangely disappearing putting Biden in the lead”. “What is going on?”
Roberts and the Nationals senator Matt Canavan found a silver lining in the fact that as of 4 November the US has officially quit the Paris climate agreement.
Canavan said “the result of the US election might not be known for a while yet” but he did not cast doubt on the vote count.
In the 2020 campaign social media companies such as Twitter has been more active in labelling claims by Trump as misleading, including adding a warning to a tweet on election night falsely claiming that Democrats were trying to “steal” the election.

Just what Australia needs...our own deplorables telling the World we are red necks who don't trust the US voting system.

 

[steeliz]

Why do you suppose asian americans achieved such a good average incomes in a country which we are told is racist?

Because migrants fight hard to provide for their families and overcome the bias, dipshit.

Still a dumb arse comment and sounds even stupider when you repeat it a second time, KKKultist.

You should have been embarrassed the first time you made it, the second time just triggers the drycleaners to steam clean the bedsheets for your weekly cross burning.

 

[Nate DAWG]

Lol@dawgfather. I admire your loyalty. It appears as though Trump more so than any leader I can remember has fans as opposed to voters who believe in a political ideology. Trump supporters will believe and regurgitate anything he says.

 

[wendog33]

She wasn't promoting a socialit agenda....she was simply talking about eliminating systemic disadvantages which put minority groups behind the 8 ball well before the starting gun has fired. Here is what she said:

So, there’s a big difference between equality and equity. Equality suggests, “Oh, everyone should get the same amount.” The problem with that: Not everybody’s starting out from the same place. So, if we’re all getting the same amount, but you started out back there and I started out over here, we could get the same amount, but you’re still going to be that far back behind me. It’s about giving people the resources and the support they need so that everyone can be on equal footing, and then compete on equal footing. Equitable treatment means we all end up at the same place.

If you break down what she's actually saying, she's not talking about giving everyone the same thing across the board. She's talking about removing certain obstacles which prevent people from gaining the same opportunities...and I don't think she was even genuine about that much.

I think anyone who believes someone who has constantly rejected the prospect of supporting universal healthcare is going to a) support a full on socialist policy platform and b) get backing from party powerbrokers who have resisted a progressive like Bernie Sanders at every turn would have to be smoking the wacky backy. Sanders isn't even a socialist. He's a social democrat who wants the Dems to adopt socialised healthcare and education platforms. Things we have here in Australia to one degree or another. Do you think Australia is a socialist country.

Bernie isn't a socialist and the Dems =didn't want a bar of him as leader. Lol if you think they are going to shift to a radical socialist platform (either suddenly or even gradually) if and when they are elected.

kamala Harris is not a socialist. If anything, she was doing a bit of last minute vote fishing for progressives. There are no reds under the freaking bed.

Impressive how Bernie predicted Trump's tactics in that video.

 

[Dawgfather]

Because migrants fight hard to provide for their families and overcome the bias, dipshit.

Still a dumb arse comment and sounds even stupider when you repeat it KKKultist.

hehe of course - they fought 'extra' hard to overcome all that RRRRACISM and PPPPATRIARCHY

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Except for the video posted by Kamala Harris the day before the election promoting equity, which is literally fundamental to socialism.

Equity is fundamental to human nature technically.

I know what you're talking about though. She mentioned equity in the video then Paul Murray went on a rant about how she's promoting Socialism.

It's not though. Not exactly. One way you reach equity is through Social policies. Another way is through Capital policies. Funny thing is, Trump was pushing equity through Capital policy. He just didn't call it "equity"

 

[Dawgfather]

Lol@dawgfather. I admire your loyalty. It appears as though Trump more so than any leader I can remember has fans as opposed to voters who believe in a political ideology. Trump supporters will believe and regurgitate anything he says.

To the contrary, I regularly point out things he says and does which I don't agree with.

However, most of the lemmings in here like to attack me and throw insults instead of actually asking questions and discussing anything of importance. So I don't often have much of a chance to express my views.

 

[MatstaDogg]

Of course I'd prefer Trump to have won the election already, but I'm more than happy to congratulate Biden and any of his supporters if Biden is confirmed as the winner.

Why bother, it's not like the left will congratulate Trump and his supporters if he was to win. This whole election has been nothing but a shit sandwich no matter what side of the fence you are on. America as a whole, is just an embarrassing mess to the rest of the world that's looking on.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

To the contrary, I regularly point out things he says and does which I don't agree with.

However, most of the lemmings in here like to attack me and throw insults instead of actually asking questions and discussing anything of importance. So I don't often have much of a chance to express my views.

I prefer not to throw insults even though you have thrown many at me when I annoyed you too much

I should point out though that when I call you racist and extremely bias. That's not an insult. Just an observation.

 

[steeliz]

hehe of course - they fought 'extra' hard to overcome all that RRRRACISM and PPPPATRIARCHY

Funny how you can't see another point of view and make fun of them instead.

The KKKultist in you is showing.

Because immigrants don't fight. They don't want the best for their kids.

Guess you just laugh at people feeling superior to make you feel better with your small man syndrome.

 

[steeliz]

To the contrary, I regularly point out things he says and does which I don't agree with.

However, most of the lemmings in here like to attack me and throw insults instead of actually asking questions and discussing anything of importance. So I don't often have much of a chance to express my views.

I call Bullshit

 

[Dawgfather]

Why bother, it's not like the left will congratulate Trump and his supporters if he was to win. This whole election has been nothing but a shit sandwich no matter what side of the fence you are on. America as a whole, is just an embarrassing mess to the rest of the world that's looking on.

Because I believe in some principles and one of those is that if you lose, then you should accept the loss and move on. Something the democrats never did in 2016.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Asians are good at maths and shify so they're probably accountants and stealing money from their clients.

and have great spicy chicken

 

[Dawgfather]

Funny how you can't see another point of view and make fun of them instead.

The KKKultist in you is showing.

Because immigrants don't fight. They don't want the best for their kids.

Guess you just laugh at people feeling superior to make you feel better with your small man syndrome.

Yep you've got me there. I love getting into bed sheets and riding on horses with flaming torches.

 

[Flanagun]

How do you propose to equalise the playing field? Because that is exactly what Harris suggested should happen (via the video).

Does this mean that we should take money away from celebrities and politicians and business executives until they have exactly the same amount as other poorer people? Who decides what an equal playing field? Is it based on financial metrics? Social metrics? Education? Health? Security?

Also, the video suggests everyone needs to end up in exactly the same place. This is straight up hardcore equity doctrines that belong in socialist and marxist countries. If you want everyone to end up exactly the same and start from the same place, the only way to do that is through murder.

Guess what happened tens of millions of times through the 1900s when socialism attempted to 'equalise the playing field'? Tens of millions died attempting it.

Nope, I don't think she was talking about anything of that nature. I think she was simply talking about addressing entrenched systems of discrimination and socially entrenched biases so that everyone can be on a level playing field. She didn't specify what she meant by getting to the same place....you just jump to the conclusion she is talking about finances, she could be talking about social status, college, or ensuring outcomes for people of equal ability of different genders and backgrounds who are on a similar career trajectory.

I think her comments were pretty clumsy and ill advised, given they have only added fuel to the Trump anti socialist narrative, may have lost her party key votes in Florida and were unlikely to win too many votes this close to the election, but I certainly don't think they were indicative of some sort of sinister, clandestine socialist agenda.

Let's apply some common sense here. Biden is a corporatist with NO history of supporting even the most elementary socialised programs such as universal healthcare. The same can be said of Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff and any other Democrat powerbroker you could care to mention. Harris once gave in principle support to Bernie Sanders' healthcare bill but has since done a complete 180 and refused to support universal healthcare on numerous occasions. She is also known for saying and doing things which she feels are politically advantageous to her, but not following up in terms of meaningful policy support.

They are all centrists and the Democrats are notoriously beholden to corporate donors. There is no way in Hell they will EVER adopt a genuine socialist policy platform - at least unless the party undergoes some major reforms. If the dems were interested in even a socialist democrat's policy platform they wouldn't have raged so hard against Bernie in 2016 and they wouldn't have called on Obama to start working the phones and convincing other nominees to drop out and endorse Biden when Bernie was leading the primaries earlier this year.

The idea the Dems are going to gain power then go full socialist is idiotic, quite frankly. There is more chance of hearing trump say 'enough about me, let's talk about you' on a date.

 

[steeliz]

Yep you've got me there. I love getting into bed sheets and riding on horses with flaming torches.

No need to state the obvious.